Model codes signification

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Olivierdejong
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Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:40 am

Hello.

New in the Packard world, I'd love to understand the signification of mine's codes.
I've got a Super Clipper 8 club coupe 1946.

Véhicule engine bay plate number :1672-3487
Figures stamped into the body under the passenger windscreen : 709 412.
Body number : 2175 2466.

According to période documentation that I could get I thought it was a 2103...

Thanks for any info.

Olivier

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:51 am

The true vehicle number is the one stamped on the plate on the cowl just ahead of the driver's windshield. 1672-3487 would be a 1946 Super Clipper, chassis type 2103, 4-door touring sedan. The 3487 indicates it's the 1487th such vehicle built (starting at 2001). Except for the vehicle number it's identical to the 1947 2103 Super Clipper touring sedan which would have been numbered 2172-XXXX. 709412 is the "theft-proof" number and correlates to 1947 production. I suspect you're reading the 2175-2466 incorrectly, it's probably 2172-2466 and is the number Briggs applied to the body when it was built, and it was the 466th such body built by Briggs. It's not uncommon for the two numbers (3487 and 2466) to not match as the finished cars were not assembled in the same order that Briggs built the bodies. But what is curious is that Briggs built the body as a 1947 model, yet the finished car was built and titled as a 1946 model - the only logical explanation would be that one or more of the body number tags have been changed over the years.

I see you're from Brussels, though it's been some time now I spent many a happy time at the Hotel Amigo just off the Grand Place, and many a lovely meal along the Rue Bouchers! I was in Zeebrugge just last year and visited Brugge for some great beer-tasting.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Howard56 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:34 am

The 46 vs 47 number is interesting. If it still has the original engine the motor number stamped on the side of the block below the head and near the distributor area might help narrow it down.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:29 am

Oliver, just an afterthought.

The Packard distributer in Belgium in 1938 and perhaps thru the end was Anciens Etabllisements Pilette S.A.; office and showroom at 25 Rue Veydt, and service facilities at 150 Chausees d'Imelles (sorry if I've misspelled - please correct me). If you're out with your camera some time and either or both buildings are still standing, perhaps you could take a few photos and post them in our Dealerships & Factory Branches discussion group.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:59 am

Hello. Thank You for all those infos.
Dave, I just chècked on the car and the number si well 2175 and ont 2172. Nô possible Mistake.
The car was first registered in France on the 15th of July 1946 according to the number plate documents.
Délivered with an odometer in km/h.

I do ont see any number stamped on the engine. Neither side. Only "Packard HC" on the head. And a small number Aldo on the Head nearby the thermostat housing : 351258 in positive, almost 1 centimeter high.
I suppose it is not the number that you expect.
Where should it be: higher or lower than the distributor head?
My engine was plated due to a crack I suppose, above the distributor cap, from the starter till the oil fill tube. On about 2-3centimeters high. Above the circular that is above the distributor. Is this number there behind? Good knows...

And about,the 1672... My car is well a two door...

The mistery remains....

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:05 am

I'm guessing that the plate ahead of the driver's windshield that has the vehicle number is not the original plate. A body style 2175 as shown on the Briggs body plate corresponds to a 1947 Super Clipper 2103 2-door club sedan, reasonably rare and uncommon body style. I'll enclose a photo of a typical Briggs plate so we can be sure we're talking about the same source for the number.
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:09 am

And I know the 25 rue Veydt in Ixelles.
It is still an impressive hall, in which a well known Belgian car collector kept his Bentley collection. It's been transformed récentl'y, into an art gallery I guess.
I try to upload a picture soon, but if you go on Google maps, type the address, then use streetview and you Will see the big white building At the junction. Must not be 25 (private house that could have been offices once...), but rather 27 or 23.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:12 am

Yes Dave, we talk about the same plate, except that it is on Passenger side 2175 and yes my car is a two door fastback.
The picture I take with my IPad are too heavy to be published on the site, but if you have a mail, I send You some views.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:14 am

I succeeded.
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:16 am

Number plate.

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