Model codes signification

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:44 pm

Dave,

1. I did not find any comprehensive publication about Packard in French. So I'll try and find those You recommenced yesterday.
2. I got an answer from the Belgian antenna of the PAC. They are on holiday fill the third.
3. About the 1938 1604, can You tell me if the body structure is made of steel or Wood? Be fore buying maybe, I like to know what I take...
Best regards.
Olivier

Pas: i learned more on Packards talking with You on 3 days than ever before in my books. Thank You again.
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Dave Czirr » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:41 pm

Glad to hear you've made contact with the Packards Belgium club.

The 1601 has an all-steel body, the 1604 has composite, steel over wood framing. In 1939 only the Twelve still used composite construction and starting in 1940 all Packard bodies were all steel. The 1938 Super Eights shared bodies with the Twelve.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:02 pm

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Hello again.
I had an expertise done on m'y super clipper eight club sedan 1946.
The expert found a 1946 deluxe clipper club sedan as a comparison. Written so on the doors and front fenders. Burgundy and silver, coming out of a muséum some years ago.
Is it the same type or a smaller wheelbase and less poch version?
Thank You for any information.
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Howard56 » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:54 pm

The ordinary sedan and club sedan was the base car with a 120 wheelbase and the standard engine was a 6 cylinder. There was also an 8 and a Deluxe 8 series with a small 8 cylinder engine also on the 120 wheelbase. Interiors were decent but not in the quality of the higher end models. The Deluxe had a better or upgraded interior than the 8 and some slightly heavier mechanical components compared to the others. More of the trim options were standard on the deluxe -- although there were not all that many options in general available for 46.

The Super and Custom Super cars were on the 127 wheelbase and had the largest 8 cylinder engine -- the 356 9 main bearing which is considered one of Packards best engines. It also had much heavier duty mechanical components. The Custom Super differs from the regular Super by having an interior of the finest wool fabrics, extra chrome and other distinctive interior touches and usually came with almost all the options to differentiate it from lower cost models.

An interesting thing on all the Clippers is the bodies from the windshield back are virtually identical. Differences are in interior trim and finish. Not considering the long wheelbase and limo models which is longer in back, the additional wheelbase on the 127 is ahead of the cowl. If you compare your hood and front clip to the Deluxe you will find your front fenders are longer.

If you want to read the detailed difference in mechanical specs go to http://www.packardinfo.com. The literature page will be the first page you see. Go to Service Letters, Counselors and Bulletins and download the October 1945 Service Counselor VOL 19 No 10. That contains all the detailed mechanical specifications of the 1946 Clippers. In another section of the literature page is the 46 Data book which details more of the interior differences. You can download both as well as all other documentation.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:41 am

Tx...
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by walter scott » Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:57 pm

I am researching a 1933 Packard and was hoping someone can help decipher the numbers and names on the plate mounted on the cowl. The vehicle # 1105 15. Delivered 12 24 33 by Park Avenue Packard.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by 34PackardGuy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:11 pm

Hi Walter, and welcome! Just as a note for the future, as you're starting a new question, it would be appropriate to start a new thread rather than piggy-back of someone else's prior thread - just a matter of courtesy. However, let me answer as best I can.

I'm very curious that you associate that vehicle number with a 1933 Packard; a photo of the car in question showing the front fenders and headlamps would be most useful. The reason I say that is the vehicle #1105-15 would describe a 1934 Packard Super Eight on the very long 147" wheelbase. The 1105 chassis offered a couple of factory body types but was primarily the chassis for small series-custom coachwork by Dietrich and LeBaron. However as your car vehicle number begins with the chassis type (1105) rather than the body type it indicates that the vehicle sale was a chassis without coachwork, destined most probably for one-off coachwork of the buyer's preference, or (less likely) for the mounting of some sort of unique commercial body type (tour bus, airport limousine, etc). Chassis sales typically included the front nose clip complete thru the cowl and dashboard but just the naked frame from there rearwards. If the coachwork is still on the car there are a number of places that might identify the coach or body builder. Thus it would be even more interesting in seeing a couple of photos.

Park Avenue Packard was one of Packard New York's facilities. The delivery date of December 1934 would further suggest the car in a 1934, not a 1933 as the 34 models were introduced in August of 1933.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:19 am

Hello Dave.
Little complement of information about our 23rd of July exchange.

I met a guy today knowing my car for ages.
He remembers having seen my car "renamed" with a 1946 plate of a 1672 car.
The reason was that Packard having disappeared in 59 or so, it was impossible in the 1970's to have an official conformity certificate paper to register the car from Françe to Belgium. Compulsary since 1968. As they had a 1672 wreck 1946 already registered in Belgium, they simply exchanged this little Plate and the registration papers.
So You were right, this plate was changed, confirmed by a witness of the time.

Consequently, I don't know when my car was first registered by Léonard G. Bradford, the vice consul of the USA in Françe from 1946...

I just know He came from the US in august 1946 with a 1937 Victoria 8cyl. convertible which he kept until 1964, the moment he sold both his Packard to à french collector. And I know this 1937 conv.

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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Olivierdejong » Thu May 24, 2018 7:55 am

(Elle.

After a long time without questions, I’m back.
I just bought one more Packard : 1937 super eight Victoria convertible 4 seats inside.
I’d like to know more about her figures:
Number 1007-304
Style : 1501?
Motor number : 401168A
Firewall number : not written down, I’ll check it when I face the car.
And what is the exact size of the engine?

Some of the documents I got as the reg papers were mis written : definitely not a 120, different sizes of engine ... I’d like to see clearly what to let the officers write on registration.

Thank you in advance for your help.
Olivier
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Re: Model codes signification

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu May 24, 2018 8:21 am

1501 is the chassis. It's a Super Eight and there were three chassis in the Super Eight line, the 1500 had a wheelbase of 127 inches, the 1501 was 134 inches, and the 1502 was 139 inches.

1007 is the identification of the body type. There were 8 different body styles available on the 1501 chassis, 1007 is the convertible victoria. Individual numbering of each 1007 body began at 201 so yours is the 104th built. No records have survived to tell us how many were originally made, probably just a few more than 100. 1007-304 is the true and correct original vehicle number which is normally used for registration and title purpose here.

Motor number range was from 395,000 to 403,000.


The motor is 320 cubic inches, the continuation of the smaller 8-cylinder motor introduced in 1929 which continued thru 1939. The Super Eight of 1936 and prior was 385 cubic inches, it was discontinued for 1937 with the smaller engine taking its place.

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