Help with the definition of the car model?

Queries about model and year identification, engine and vehicle numbers, etc.
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Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Sobol040 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:22 am

Всем доброго времени суток!
Я пытаюсь разобраться с моделью автомобиля изображенного на фото. К сожалению я не смог найти достоверной информации на просторах интернета, может уважаемые форумчане смогут мне помочь!!! Буду очень благодарен!!!
Основной вопрос звучит так: На автомобиле отсутствуют RUNNING BOARD, так автомобиль выпускал завод?
Если так выпускал завод, то как правильно звучит номер модели?
Спасибо заранее!!! С уважением, Сергей!

All kind time of day!
I'm trying to figure out the model of the car in the photo. Unfortunately I couldn't find reliable information on the Internet may dear friends can help me!!! I would be very grateful!!!
The main question is: there is no RUNNING BOARD on the car, so the car was produced by the plant?
If this is how the factory produced, how does the model number sound?
Thanks in advance!!! With respect, Sergei!
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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu May 03, 2018 5:10 am

The model year is 1940 and the body style is called a club sedan. Club sedans were available in the junior (120) car line as either a style 1396 or DE1396 (the deluxe trimmed version), these were on the 1801 chassis. A club sedan was also available in the senior (160) car line, style 1376 on the 1803 chassis. Both had the same wheelbase (127 inches). I'm not enough of an expert to tell the differences but I suspect the image you show is a "160", or senior car. There was an option available in 1941 to delete the running boards; though I'm not positive I suspect it may also have been available in 1940.

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Sobol040 » Thu May 03, 2018 10:54 am

Thank you for the answer!
Here's a photo of the car which also does not have a RUNNING BOARD, and if you believe the source was produced a similar car in 1940
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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu May 03, 2018 12:11 pm

The Darrin (convertible) is a small series semi-custom but the sedan is a factory production body.

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Sobol040 » Fri May 04, 2018 2:43 am

If I understand correctly, the car in the first photo sedan factory production? And can definitely say that it's the factory version, but was produced in limited quantities?

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Dave Czirr » Fri May 04, 2018 4:46 am

Depends on what you mean by limited. All prewar senior Packard were of limited production compared to non-luxury makes. There were about 5662 Model 160 Packard made for 1940 across 9 body and chassis combinations. No records by individual body and chassis combination have survived if they were ever kept in the first place.

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Sobol040 » Fri May 04, 2018 11:18 am

Here is the part of the ad in which the seller talks about the green car:

Here is a beautifully restored 1940 Packard 8 Cylinder 120 Club sedan. this is a very rare bodystyle. and in my opinion the best looking of the closed Packards that year.
The 120 was a tremendously sophisticated car. with independent front suspension. optional factory overdrive. a powerful 120 Horsepower 8 cylinder engine ( hence the "120" designation)
Many factory options were available to make it a luxurious and pleasant driving experience. Indeed. even today. it will keep up with freeway traffic!
This car has many desirable options and equipment. including:
• 282 Cubic inch 8 cylinder engine - runs GREAT!
• Factory overdrive. works perfectly.
• Cormorant hood ornament
• Runningboard delete option
• Front triplex bumperguard
• Radio (not working now)
• Dual heater - firewall and floor mounts
• Foglamps
• Turn signals and brakelights

Means the plant let out such cars!!!
Thanks for the help!!!
Here is another photo of a similar car.
Description:
1940 Packard 120 Four-Door Club Sdean
Up for sale is an original un-restored 1940 Packard One-Twenty Club Sedan with custom coachwork by Bohman & Schwartz.Unfortunately, the only proof is in the style:It has Darrin type fenders with running boards deleted.Though exact model production figures aren't available, the 1940 junior sedan is a rarity among pre World War II Packards and one of the most beautiful Packards ever made. The four-door junior club sedan was new to the Packard lineup in 1940 and was produced for only that year. Compared to the touring sedan, the club version featured blank upper rear quarters (no windows) and a rounded trailing edge to the upper portion of the rear door.
Номер vin:1396-2326
Модель/Шасси: 1801
Двигатель: G4479900
Отсутствие номера анти -- похищения на капоте 1940 Packards
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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Dave Czirr » Fri May 04, 2018 11:38 am

Just a minor point, but the seller is incorrect about the designation "120" acknowledging the horsepower. The model designation 120, when that model was introduced in 1935, was based on the wheelbase, not the horsepower (which was 110).

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Don Shields » Fri May 04, 2018 7:31 pm

If Packard offered a running board delete option in 1940, they sure did their best to keep it a secret. The Salesman's Data book for 1940, page 43, has this to say about running boards: "Running boards are comfortably wide to provide a safe footing when entering and leaving the car--a feature much appreciated by many motorists after even a brief experience with cars minus running boards." Also, the 1935-1941 Parts List, page 177, shows the guard assy., rear fender (front) gravel available only for the 19th Series or 1941 model year. So I'd have to conclude that the running boards on the subject car were removed after the car left the factory. Deleting these running boards would be no simple task as both the front and rear fenders would need to be replaced with 19th series or 1941 model year fenders as the parts list shows different numbers for the 1940 and 1941 fenders.

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Re: Help with the definition of the car model?

Post by Ozstatman » Fri May 04, 2018 9:34 pm

I'd be very circumspect in regard to identifying that this Packard left the factory looking like it is now. It's like a dog of uncertain and mixed parentage which, here down-under, we'd call a "bitzer", ie bit of this, bit of that! ;)
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