1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

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1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Fri May 24, 2019 8:46 am

We just acquired a 1941 Packard One Twenty but need some help:

1) The VN on the plate is 1492-I0704 -- it looks like they are usually 8 digits, but this appears to have a capital i in the middle -- anyone ever seen this, the title shows it as a number 1. At any rate, can anyone help me decode this and tell me what model number it is? I'[m not sure these help, but the body code on the firewall is 592073, and the engine code is J253576 (I-8)

The vehicle is in pretty good shape for having been in a garage for the last 55 years after the last driving owner died and his widow parked it.

2) There are a variety of little parts that will be needed that I'll need to hunt down, particularly a couple of chrome trim pieces on the fenders, and one of the bumper guards on the rear. Any recommendations on finding such parts?

3) The interior needs to be replaced. Is there any premade seat fabric covers. It seems that the seats aren't complicated, and local upholsterers will do a whole car for $1k-3k, but when I tell them it's a Packard they start talking about $6k and up. I suppose "Classic Car Tax", but I'm not going to be able to afford that. Relating to this, are there places to get premade headliners? And for the door panels, ours has the original woodgrained vinyl/plastic, but is rather unattractive, were these commonly covered with fabric or some other treatment?

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by JD in KC » Fri May 24, 2019 9:06 am

The model number is 1492 which is a 1941 Packard 4-door 120 Touring Sedan. The 'I' is a 1 in the font used by Packard. The rest of the number indicates that it is the 8074th of this model to come off the line (serial numbering started at 2001). The 'body code' 592073 is the Theft-Proof Number (TPN) embossed in the firewall making removal very difficult for thieves.

For Parts you can try one of the many Packard Vendors, Kanter, Max Merritt, etc.

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by Dave Czirr » Sat May 25, 2019 5:01 am

Welcome!

If you've read the engine number correctly it would appear your car has a later replacement engine. The correct engine for 1941 would begin with the prefix "D"; prefix "J" would indicate a engine from 1951. There is a bit of a difference in the overall length of the two engines, the 1951 engine would be longer and probably take some modifications to make it fit in the space.

As JD points out, here's an image of the Packard's own type font showing the digit "1" appears as an upper case "I".
Packard Font.jpg
I'm not sure what you mean when you speak of plastic or vinyl door panels, the were wool broadcloth. How about a photo? Kanter used to have headliner kits. No seat upholstery kits that I'm aware of.

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:38 am

Thank you! Yes, the engine number is certainly a J. The head is 34 1/4" x 7 3/4" and appears to have the numbers 426537 288 A7 . It is a bit of a snug fit front to back. The odometer shows 68,000 miles, and the car was only on the road for less than 20 years. By modern standards, it is likely that it would be 168,000 and the motor was replaced at some point. If so, then I would probably need to be asking for '51 parts if needed for the motor? Would the original transmission work with that motor, or was it likely that they replaced the transmission too? Any idea on how to identify the transmission that is in it?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BasHLfJYgDPzJtNE6
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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:40 am

Here is a photo of the door panel if I can post it correctly

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nPVzHKdpq3dhf6YLA
https://photos.app.goo.gl/MX9xnc7QLcuQQ4BcA

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:43 am

When I look up model numbers for 1941, they begin with 19.., but this one has a model number of 1492 -- is it just a less popular model or that those places don't stock this model?

I found a reference at http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modul ... ar&id=1941 that shows 1492 as a body number and 1901 as model/chassis number; so then 1901 is the model number for most parts purposes, but 1492 is the specific body that came off the assembly line?

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 am

The numbers like 1900, 1901, 1902, thru 1908 denote the chassis (110, 120, 160, 180 plus corresponding wheelbase). The numbers like 14xx denote the body type (120 5-pass sedan, 160 convertible victoria, etc.). If you have the Turnquist book its neatly laid out in the appendeces. Also in the AQ book (Kimes) and many other reference books.

Yes, use 1901 for chassis parts, 1492 for body parts.

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:05 am

Thank you! As it looks like the engine was replaced with a 1951, I understand that the '41 transmission wouldn't likely mount to it? If so, they probably replaced the motor and transmission at the same time -- any way to identify a transmission?

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:25 am

What is the motor number on the current engine?

See if you can find a casting date in the transmission housing.

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Re: 1941 Packard One Twenty VIN?? model? info & parts

Post by glory2000 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:34 am

Motor is J253576 -- I'm guessing probably late 1951. I'll see if we can locate a casting number somewhere on the transmission

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