1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

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Reanimator
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1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:16 am

I'm not sure if I have a 1937 or a 1938. I find characteristics of the car that fit 1937, and I find characteristics of the car that fit 1938. For example, the radiator drain is on the engine side of the radiator, and that appears to be a 1937 location. According to the shop manual, in 1938 it was moved to the front side of the radiator.


The engine head is iron. From what i've read, it's supposed to be aluminum. I think i've read that iron heads didn't occur till 1939.

The car has a 1938 style sticker ID plate which is only partially legible. The date of manufacture is one of the things on it that is not legible. Fortunately, the last five digits of the Vehicle ID number are legible.

The exhaust manifold has a shiny black porcelain looking coating on it, and from what i've read, these were only used prior to 1938.

The intake manifold has a brass fitting that looks like it is supposed to hook to something requiring vacuum, but there was nothing hooked to it when I bought the car. I am wondering if it is the vacuum advance connection, but at this time I don't know for sure.

I had to buy a carburetor through EBay. When I bought the car I thought the engine was complete, and it did have a carburetor and air cleaner, but when I examined it closely, I realized it was the wrong carburetor. It turned out to be a holly carburetor with only three bolt flanges that appears to have been used on 1940 era Ford engines.

According to what I could determine, the carburetor I needed was most likely a Stromberg EE-14, and so I found one on EBay for $150.00 which the man claimed to be in "good working order." It wasn't. It was missing two emulsion tubes, 1 jet, two jet well caps, and one center cap.

Sigh.

I ordered replacement parts from "Vintage Speed". Hope the emulsion tubes for a Stromberg 97 will work on the EE-14. I did get the correctly sized jets though. (O.047")

I looked at a lot of online pictures of other 1937-1938 engines, and all the ones I could find showed the vacuum advance hooking to a port on the EE-14 carburetor. I could find no pictures showing a connection going to the intake manifold.


More later.

Bluedevil
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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Bluedevil » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:28 am

Does it have a split windshield? If so it would be '38 I believe.

The rooster keepers should be able to give you guidance.

The Theft proof number? The guys on this site have all the details.

Do you have the car number.

Congrats and good luck with your car.

Reanimator
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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:20 am

Yes, it has a split windshield.

The theft proof number is undamaged, and I intend to post it, but i'm not currently near the car.

I believe I have the last five digits of the car number readable. I had my son take some pictures and i'll get them from him and post them here. I have an older phone with a not so good camera, so I got him to use his.


And thanks! I've already learned a lot from reading the commentary from other people on this site, and I hope to learn enough to do a proper job on this car. I intend to make it my everyday driver.


I look forward to future car talk. :)

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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Prudence » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:19 am

Good Morning...Just a humble suggestion...the folks who specialize in parts for our Packard Automobiles might be a bit more able to assist you with your Packard needs then someone on e-bay. Kanter, who sponsors this site and is listed above 800-526-1096 has been in the business for years and will most likely have what you need as will Max Merritt 800-472-2573, who has also been in the business for years. David Flack specializes in pre-war Packard Automobiles 214-549-1250. Tucson Packard 520-730-2246, Packard Seattle Company 425-293-7709, Packards Southwest 619-726-4605 are all excellent suppliers who will NOT send you the incorrect parts...Their entire reason for being in business is to keep Packards on the road...May you have a happy Packard for years down the road. There are many others, however these folks are my favorites... Ernie in Arizona ;)

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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:40 pm

Prudence wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:19 am
Good Morning...Just a humble suggestion...the folks who specialize in parts for our Packard Automobiles might be a bit more able to assist you with your Packard needs then someone on e-bay. Kanter, who sponsors this site and is listed above 800-526-1096 has been in the business for years and will most likely have what you need as will Max Merritt 800-472-2573, who has also been in the business for years. David Flack specializes in pre-war Packard Automobiles 214-549-1250. Tucson Packard 520-730-2246, Packard Seattle Company 425-293-7709, Packards Southwest 619-726-4605 are all excellent suppliers who will NOT send you the incorrect parts...Their entire reason for being in business is to keep Packards on the road...May you have a happy Packard for years down the road. There are many others, however these folks are my favorites... Ernie in Arizona ;)
I have been looking at the materials available from the suppliers you have mentioned, and I have every intention of purchasing parts and components from them. I just wanted something quick to see if the engine would run, and Ebay has long been my go to place for initial searches.

I'm going to be sinking a lot of money into this car, and I assure you I will be spending some of it at our wonderful sponsor's business as well as the others you have mentioned.

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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:49 pm

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Here is what can be read of my car number.

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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Bluedevil » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:51 am

Ok, I will take a shot at this. Looks to me this is a 1938, 148" w/b 1602 eight. Need to verify the wheelbase.

Since the tag is obviously '38 and the number sequence on the tag is xxxx xxxx and the last digit of the first set of numbers (body style) is 1, the only body style in '38 that ended in 1 was a 1191 Touring Sedan on a 148" wheel base. Therefore the vehicle number is 1191 1562.

Let me know if I mistranslated.

Bill

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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:16 am

Bluedevil wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:51 am
Ok, I will take a shot at this. Looks to me this is a 1938, 148" w/b 1602 eight. Need to verify the wheelbase.

Since the tag is obviously '38 and the number sequence on the tag is xxxx xxxx and the last digit of the first set of numbers (body style) is 1, the only body style in '38 that ended in 1 was a 1191 Touring Sedan on a 148" wheel base. Therefore the vehicle number is 1191 1562.

Let me know if I mistranslated.

Bill

Very close, though I think it's an 1192 rather than an 1191. Packard models can be so confusing. I still don't know why it has characteristics from a 37 as well as from a 38 and even a 39. Maybe someone swapped some parts before I got the car.


Also, thank you for your efforts in helping me identify it.



edit:

The car has a 127" wheelbase. I measured it again to make sure. The 1191 has a 148" wheelbase according to Packard information website. The number on the decal is clearly a "1" and you are correct, there is only a single model ending in a 1 in 1938, and that is 1191, but the wheelbase doesn't match.


1192 has a 127" wheelbase and it looks the same, but how do I explain that "1" on the decal? Doesn't make sense.
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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:22 am

Mistake. Moderator please delete.
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Re: 1937-1938 four door eight cylinder touring car.

Post by Reanimator » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:24 am

Here is my anti-theft number.

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