Original Detail Features

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Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:58 am

As the numbers of original and unmolested cars continues to decrease, we are more and more pressed to know exactly what is correct and authentic and certainly relying on restored cars is not always a good reference. I had the thought that we might begin posting photos of details from such original cars and gradually build a bit of a library for future restorers. Hopefully many of you will have some such pictures available - not whole cars, but details of the finer features. I suggest we avoid body colors (paint) as both photography and PC monitors can significantly alter the perception. It will important to note the year, model or chassis, and body style. I hope many of us warm to this idea and contribute when you have something of known originality.

I'll start with a couple. (1) A close-up of the heel pad on the front carpet from a 1933 1004 style 656 Super 8 club sedan. Also note a Kelch optional hot air heater register on the passenger side floor. (2) Rear compartment upholstery from the same car. (3) Detail of the original pinstripe from a 1934 1108-734 taken of the lower body tub just above the rear fender.

UPDATE: Speaking with the then-owner of the car with the gold pinstripe in the first photo, he advises that the pinstripe was NOT the original but was done with striping tape to simulate the original.
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1108-734 pinstripe.jpg
1004-656 rear upholstery.jpg
1004-656 heel pad.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by 34PackardGuy » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:21 am

Terrific idea! Let me contribute a few.

(1) Trunk rack support, 1934 Eight 1100-703.
(2) Rear compartment upholstery detail, 1934 Eight 1100-703
(3) Starting decal from inside glove box, 1934 Eight 1100-703
(4) Rear compartment toggle grip, 1934 Eight 1100-703.
(5) Kelch rear compartment hot air heater register, 1939 Super 8 (last year for the Kelch heater option).
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39 Super 8 Bill Wurts sm.jpg
33-34 Toggle Grip.JPG
34 Starting Decal.JPG
Dave's 1934 Packard Nov 2007 019.jpg
rack support.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:37 am

Just to keep this rolling, here's a few more. (1) Wheel pinstripe detail from a 1938 Eight (aka 120) 1601-1192. (3) Front heat shield from a 1956 Caribbean 5699 - this is the one (often missing) that mounts in front of the gap between the intake manifold and the valve tappet galley, photo courtesy of Randy Berger.
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38 Wheel 2 sm.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:40 am

Image of the trademark/label from the original Mosstred carpet used on the postwar Custom 8s and the Custom Super Clippers. Photo by this writer, from carpet in 2252-2124.

And another interesting original detail, photo courtesy of "fourpack". It's the sequential production number (second half of the vehicle number), in this case for 5699-1107, and was revealed during preparation of the body for painting. It's of limited value in that it probably varied considerably in style and location from body to body and day to day, but interesting none-the-less. It was no doubt used to identify the body for subsequent paint and trim operations prior to affixing the vehicle number tag.

Come on guys, many of you must have some interesting images to contribute to assist future restorers.

UPDATE: Just found this Packard factory photo taken in the paint booth at Connor showing a similar application of the sequential portion of the vehicle number in the same location, though perhaps done by a different hand than that on #1107.

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by packardroadsta » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:18 am

Here are two from a 733 5 to 7 passenger sedan, all original interior.
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Interior door handle 733 Sedan 5-7 pass.jpg
733 Interior Door Handle
Interior rear window crank 733 Sedan 5-7 pass.jpg
733 Rear Window Crank

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:23 am

Thanks for the contributions. I was beginning to wonder from the lack of comment if this was a worthy idea or not. You've given me some encouragement to continue it and add the next 2 posts, and hopefully we'll get more contributions.

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:33 pm

Here are pictures of an original rear carpet in a 1934 Eight, 1100, car# 703-579. The material appears to be hogshair. In the first photo you'll notice two circular wear spots; these have worn because the carpet is slightly higher at these points to contain the concealed snap fastener within the carpet (3 snap fasteners on each side). In the second photo you'll notice the corresponding snap fasteners on the undercarpet layer. The 3rd photo is of the rear compartment air outlet for the optional Kelch hot air heater (identical outlet in the front compartment.)

Edit: adding detail of the rear footrest attachment.
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1100 rear kelch.jpg
1100 rear undercarpet.jpg
1100 rear carpet.jpg
Footrest, rear 1934 003 sm.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:43 pm

A couple of more from the rear compartment of the same 34 Eight 1100. (1) the robe rail and escutcheon. (2) the smoking set (interesting that it is the only real wood interior embellishment in the car), and (3) the rear door panel.

Note in (1) that the wood grain is straight, not burl as sometimes seen in restorations. Also that the escutcheon is not chromium plated but appears to be german silver or some other tin/lead/nickel alloy, the same finish as the brackets on the foot rest, and this was the original finish on all the window cranks and door handles (note the chromium plated one, result of my impetuous youth!. The parts book does not identify the finish on these parts, and also does not indicate that two finishes [chromium or "natural"] were offered.) Also in the photo of the smoking set, notice the very elegant windlace triple trimming; as far as i know that ribbed type material is unavailable today.
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1100 rear door panel.jpg
1100 rear smoking set.jpg
1100 robe rail.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:42 am

This set pretty well finishes off the remaining original interior details of a 1934 Eight 1100-703. (1) Cordless "cat's eye" type cigar lighters - and they all work. The one with the chrome finish is the front and roughly corresponds in shape and size to the starter button which is opposite. The smaller ones with the german silver finish are the rear compartment. Note the little detail grove on the face of and just inboard of the outer rim of the front lighter is also shared with the starter button, glove box door knobs, and the windshield wiper knobs. (2) Detail of the shade cover, shade pull and guide cord of the rear quarter window. (2) General view of the well-preserved wood grain on the dashboard. The auxilliary switch is for the Kelch hot air heater blower, and the radio is not original but was installed in 1935 at the Manhattan RCA store. I hope these are helpful to future restorers. Click or double-click on photos to enlarge.

Next, I'll try some interior detail pictures of a 1938 1601 Eight (aka 120) sedan. In the meantime, please contribute what you have.
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1100 dashboard.jpg
1100 silk shade detail.jpg
1100 cigar lighters.jpg

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Re: Original Detail Features

Post by Dave Czirr » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:37 am

An interesting detail about the application of temporary sequential VN numbers to track bodies during production before the VN tag was affixed to the A pillar. First photo shows the sequential number of 5699-1107 which was found during preparation for repainting. The second photo is from a Packard archives photo taken in the Connor Avenue paint shop and shows the number in the same location, perhaps applied by a different hand though the "0" and "7" are similar in style.

The last photo is of the Mosstred carpet logo as used on the Custom Super Clippers and Custom Eights.
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Mosstred TM.jpg
Connor VN.jpg
Sep05322.jpg

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