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New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:17 pm
by oldcutlass
My friend just pulled this out of his barn and we are getting ready to try and make it road worthy. It looks to be either an Ambulance or a Hearse. The Firewall Data Plate #1701A-2596 / Date 5-11-1939 Has a straight 8, divider between front seats and rear compartment, second row suicide doors, and single rear door in the back. I don't have an engine code at this writing.

Are these relatively rare, any value?

Thanks in advance.

Re: New project need info

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:57 am
by Dave Czirr
Welcome! The 1701A denotes a 1939 "junior" or small 8 cylinder chassis of 160 inch wheelbase and the numbering began at 2001 so this is 596th such chassis sold. These chassis were sold to coachbuilders for making ambulances, hearses, airport transports, and the like. Look around for a plate identifying the coachbuilder, most likely Henney. If you find such an ID plate, the numbers on it should identify it further. The motor is a 282 cubic inch in-line 8 with 5 main bearings, motor # between B300001 and B319537.

Re: New project need info

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:12 am
by oldcutlass
Thanks for your reply, where would this plate be located?

Re: New project need info

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:44 am
by Dave Czirr
We have a correspondent who visits here regularly, PackardAPL, who is quite familiar with the commercial vehicles; check back from time to time looking for a response from him.

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:00 am
by PACKARDAPL
HI;
If this is a Henney:---which made nearly all 1939 Hearses and Ambulances on the Packard chassis--
the number plate will be on the opposite top of the firewall.There also may be a patent plate in the same
area. Under the drivers (side) front seat there is often a Henney plate on the floor or attached
to the seat frame. Sometimes there can be others if it has special equipment in the rear. Henneys
have a regular collector following and well-restored examples command a premium. These were in
very limited production with nearly hand built bodies. Annual production in the late 30s at Henney was
around 1000-1200 units of all styles and models, of which maybe 100 or so would have been "senior"
160 or 180 models. Unfortunately many of the ambulances & hearses of that period have long been
scrapped. APL

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:51 pm
by oldcutlass
Thank you, I will have to get over there and look for the additional plates. I'll post what I find in a few days.

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:40 am
by oldcutlass
Well, I crawled all over the car and cannot find any additional data plates. It is a Henney as those plates are in each door sill. We hand cranked the engine and it seems to spin freely. We flushed and filled the radiator and block and they hold water. Basically the next step will be to get it running and go from there.

What would be an approximate value or range of value of this car, it has not run in probably 30 years. Complete body and trim, some rust, needs all new interior and floor replacement (wood), and glass. We don't know what we are going to do with it yet other than get it running. Looking for some direction from you guys.

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:30 am
by oldcutlass
TTT, can anyone tell me the collectability or approximate value of this car. All help is appreciated.

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:43 am
by Dave Czirr
I generally steer away from "value" questions, especially on ambulances as I don't follow that market at all. But there may be some folks on here who do follow that market but I'd guess they certainly aren't going to hazard even a remote guess without some good, detail pictures showing the good and bad aspects of the vehicle. You might also consider asking on the Professional Care Society pages as these type vehicles are their entire focus.

Re: New project need info Ambulance or ...

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:46 pm
by oldcutlass
Lets just say it's one step over parts car status at this point. Engine turns by hand, the radiator and block hold water. Going to attempt to start in a few weeks.