1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by GTO » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:57 am

Ther is a very nice 22nd series Custom Eight for sale on Ebay that features some engine compartment shots.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by Dave Czirr » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:20 pm

Keith - here are some underhood pictures as you requested of a 1949 Custom 8 convertible victoria, this particular car was a 23rd series 1949, not a 1949 22nd series. Not sure which you have but if you forward the VN and/or exterior photos we'll let you know, there are considerable differences. The photographed car is an absolute impeccable restoration so I think you can rely on the pictures. On cars that didn't have heater the hydraulic pump located back on the passenger side of the cowl. Also note the underhood light is not standard but an occasionally seen and nifty option. Hope the pictures help you.
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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by Dave Czirr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:31 pm

Keith - this may be a sharper photo of the hydraulic pump mount on the 2359.
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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by Clipper47 » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:43 pm

Dave, Thanks for the great pictures. I have never seen a battery cover like this one. Surely this isn't a factory item or is it? Not to seem picky but the wiring harness and battery cables seems to be wrapped in friction tape and plastic wire conduit from a more modern era.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by Dave Czirr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:05 pm

I didn't take note of the wiring, but everything else on the car is so impeccable, perhaps the photos are misleading. As to the battery cover, seen them often in GM cars, but not used to my knowledge in a Packard. I think you'd have to check the parts book to be certain I guess.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by JD in KC » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:00 pm

Dave, shouldn't the engine be gray? I know that there is debate on whether some early 22nd series came with Packard green engines but by the 23rd series surely it would have been gray... or am I painting my 356 the wrong color?

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by Dave Czirr » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:59 am

Hi JD, good question and the debate continues. Though PAC (see Engine Colors under reference on the main site) says all from 48 thru 54 should be gray except the 1954 359 engine, others say that the 356 engine thru 1950 could be an exception to that. And I agree with that, I've seen what appear to be unmolested original 22nd and 23rd series Custom 8s with both colors and it seems unlikely that we'll ever find original documentation to resolve this question.

Years back on another forum I tongue-in-cheek postulated that Packard had only one employee (Mr. Green) who painted engines since the 30s and who loved green. When the 22nd series came out, they hired a second and younger painter (Mr. Gray) who was initially assigned to the 288 and 327 engines. As Mr. Green aged he had more and more sick days and on those days Mr. Gray painted the 356 engines.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by JD in KC » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:11 am

I have found small areas of original color on my engine ('50 Custom) and I'm pretty sure it was gray originally. The engine in my '41 apparently came out of a '48 Custom and appears to have been originally gray but has been re-painted green at some point in the past to look correct for the '41 year. I guess we'll never know for sure.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by 49pack-conv » Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:06 pm

I'm finishing restoration on a 49 Super 8 Conv. and have found that there are many variations of the same auto. Example: If the auto has a heater the top pump is located on the drivers side ahead of the battery and if it did not have a heater the pump is mounted on the passengers side next to the firewall where the heater would have been mounted. Also a 49 could be a 22 series or a 23 series depending on when it was built. Not many changes between the series's but if your a purist then you may want to do a lot of research. Engine color is another issue, some say green, others say gray.

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Re: 1949 Custom Eight Convertable Victoria

Post by krieg195 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:20 pm

Keith: I have a 23rd Victoria Conv. 1949 #2002. I switched to ATF but added Marvel Oil too. My Car is a 3 speed with overdrive. D Krieg, Iowa

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