1951 packard info

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1951 packard info

Post by sevierville01 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:57 pm

hello all. would a 1951 Packard 200 2 door ever have been sold as a funeral car or outfitted as such. my father inherited a 1951 Packard and was told that it started life as a funeral flower car or something like that. any info you be great thanks.

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by Howard56 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:46 pm

There was a two door salesman's or business coupe which was an ordinary two door car with shelves and space for sample cases in the space normally occupied by a rear seat. I suppose a funeral home could have modified one for other purposes. Henney offered a two door flower car but according to Neal's 51-4 book none were built in 51. There were 5 of them built as 52 models. 51 and 52 Packard built cars are almost identical, the major difference being removal of the Packard name on the front of the hood and a Packard crest added to the grille in its place. I imagine the Henney models followed the same minor styling changes so if it is an actual flower car your dad inherited, any chance it is a 52 rather than a 51.

The official Henney flower car was a two door with the cab stopping just behind the door. The rest of the car became a pickup like affair with functionality and looks similar to the later Rancheros and EL Caminos. Some of them had a hydraulically operated bed floor that raised or lowered as needed depending on how many flowers had to be carried. Here is a 53 model showing the flower car styling. 51 would be about the same except for the grille and side trim. http://hearse.com/pages_to_file_2/11653.html

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by Dave Czirr » Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:11 am

Certainly someone could have modified a "200" 2-door sedan as they wished but the chassis Packard supplied to Henney for 1951 funeral and ambulance vehicles was the 2413 chassis which had a 156" wheelbase as compared to the 122" wheelbase of the "200" series cars.

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by sevierville01 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:37 am

On the placard on the door it reads 2495 4867 with trim code 49. On the fire wall it says 2401 2495.
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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by Dave Czirr » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:51 am

When you say "on the firewall" do you mean on a tag on the firewall that looks like this?
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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by sevierville01 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:53 am

Correct body and chassis number.

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by Dave Czirr » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:21 am

Your numbers are curious and present an unclear situation. The true vehicle number is the number on the plate riveted to the door pillar; 2495 denotes what Packard called a club sedan, a 2-door sedan really. And the 4867 denotes the 2867th such car assembled to that point. The chassis for the 2495 is the "2401" chassis, the most junior chassis that year with a 122" wheelbase and a 288 cubic inch L-8 engine, engine numbers beginning at J200001. About 71,362 cars were built on this chassis with various body styles though there is nothing other than estimates of who many were of each body style.

The confusion comes from the number on the tag on the cowl, this is the "Briggs Body" tag and was attached when the body was constructed by Briggs to whom Packard had contracted their body manufacture. Normally the Briggs number would be identical to the vehicle number though it wouldn't be too uncommon if the sequential part of the number 4867 varied by a digit or two. But your Briggs tag has the type of number Packard would have used as a vehicle number if the vehicle were sold as a "chassis only", that is - without a body. Perhaps this is the result of one of the tags having been replaced with one from another vehicle; otherwise no explanation is obvious to me.

Curious indeed! I've studied Packard's numbers for decades and if someone else has a rational explanation, I'd love to hear it!

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by sevierville01 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:31 am

ok I had to recheck the numbers on the plate under the hood say 2104 and 4867 and the one on the Packard plate say 2495 and 4867 . I cant believe I got my numbers mixed up, what is trim code 49 tho.

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by Dave Czirr » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:38 am

Well, thanks for rechecking the number. It's a bit less of a mystery now in that the number 2104 is meaningless with respect to the 1951 Packards. Since the "official" vehicle number is the one on the door jamb and the Briggs number really has no particular status or usefulness, my guess is the number was incorrectly stamped when the vehicle was made and that, if Packard ever noticed, they simply didn't bother to correct it.

Trim Code 49 was one of 3 interior trims used for the 2495 vehicles, it is "Dark gray broadcloth, striped".

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Re: 1951 packard info

Post by sevierville01 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:53 pm

thanks for the trim code info. do you know why the original seats would have had a plastic cover on them.

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